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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/21/2001 9:35 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 47)  
 
  231.1  
 
Is it just me or does any one else Recognize the similarities between Islam and Mormonism?

 

The concept of Heaven for Islam and Mormonism are basically the same. Both believe heaven to be some type of brothel where droves of women are there for their various whims. To both of them the rewards of heaven are sexual not Godly and not Spiritual.

 

Jesus taught:

Matthew 22:29,30 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they (People) neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

Both Islam and Mormonism each come basically from one man Mohammed and Joseph Smith.

 

Both Come Long after Jesus walked the earth. Muslim 700 A.D. Mormonism late 1800s A.D.

 

Both originated outside of Israel to anti Jewish men. Islam  Arabia, Mormonism - New York USA.

 

Both are Strict Legalistic systems. Both are Strict Political systems. Both believe and follow Revenge, lying and Killing to further their causes.

 

Both deny the Deity of Jesus. Muslims  Jesus is only a Prophet, Mormons - Jesus is only a man like Adam and every other man.

 

The writings of both are plagued with Errors and inconsistencies.

 

And much More:

 

Islam and Mormonism have Nothing to do with Christianity and much to do with each other.

 

God Bless You,

David

 





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  From:  nafisa4   10/25/2001 6:42 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 47)  
 
  231.2 in reply to 231.1  
 
Hello David, 
I read your message regarding Muslims and Mormons and felt the urge to send you this quote on your take of similarities or is it simularities? 
"Halls and theological colleges and learned lectures, circles and cloisters - What use are they when there is no knowledge and there is no eye that sees?' 
-Hafiz
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/25/2001 9:02 am  
To:  nafisa4   (3 of 47)  
 
  231.3 in reply to 231.2  
 
Hi Nafisa,

 

Great quote!

 

I would also include in the quote to discern the light by which the eye sees.

 

Matthew 6;22,23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single [focused on Jesus], thy whole body shall be full of light. 

 

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

David----





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  From:  latterday   10/28/2001 5:22 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 47)  
 
  231.5 in reply to 231.1  
 
What kind of baloney is that????? Mormons do not believe heaven is a brothel, nor do they believe that women are slaves for their every desire. I might suggest that unless you are familiar and have studied religion of any kind you should keep your hypocritical mouth and keyboard shut. 
Sincerely, 
A Latter Day Saint 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/28/2001 9:51 pm  
To:  latterday   (6 of 47)  
 
  231.6 in reply to 231.5  
 
Latterday,

 

I stand by the comparison, and by the description of the Muslim and Mormon view of heaven since neither religion has a Spiritual nor a Devine Godly view of heaven as presented in the Bible. 

 

Since you believe that you will one day be a god and that in being a god you will populate your own planet as a god then suffice to say that you will be the god of your own pretend brothel.

 

Please see the cult message folder where the Mormon topic has been thoroughly debated on this forum.

 

David





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  From:  latterday   10/29/2001 11:24 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 47)  
 
  231.7 in reply to 231.6  
 
Regardless of what you think or what you believe, God, allah, the great spirit, they all listen to their people when prayed to in a true and pure spirit. God knows what his people think and no one religion, much less person has the right to criticize or disregard anothers thoughts or religious preferences. All you are doing is creating more hate in an already hate filled society. Tolerance of others views and races and religions is something all people need or there will always be terrorism and violence. You being a "christian" should preach tolerance instead of critcisim, and love instead of hate. You should spread peace instead of more terrorism. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/29/2001 12:12 pm  
To:  latterday unread  (8 of 47)  
 
  231.8 in reply to 231.7  
 
Its not hate to discuss similarities and there are Many Similarities between the Muslim and Mormon Religion, a few of them were listed in the first post.

 

Maybe you along with many other people do not really know what the Mormons and the Muslims truly believe and practice apart from their propaganda for the public.

 

Part of this topic is to distinguish between the Public claims of the Muslims and the Mormons and their actual deeds and actions.

 

I very much disagree with you that All Religions are the same and that God acknowledges the followers of every religion.

 

John 11:25,26 Jesus said unto her, I am the Resurrection and the Life: he that Believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and Believeth in Me shall never die..

 

1st John 5:11,12 And this is the record, that God hath given us Eternal Life, and this Life is in His Son (Jesus). He that hath the Son hath Life: and he that hath Not the Son of God hath Not the life.

 

 





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  From:  Fuzziewolfie   10/29/2001 9:50 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 47)  
 
  231.9 in reply to 231.8  
 
Um..... Considering we're at war already, can't we all just get along? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/30/2001 7:41 am  
To:  Fuzziewolfie   (10 of 47)  
 
  231.10 in reply to 231.9  
 
And how would we get along?

 

By saying one thing and doing another as the Muslims and Mormons do, or by learning the truths of theses teachings and addressing them in the open.

 

David





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  From:  Fuzziewolfie   10/30/2001 8:41 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 47)  
 
  231.11 in reply to 231.10  
 
Naw, I'm just talking about not aggrivating certian people right now. Certian people would see the above posts as offensive espically at a time like this even if you don't. I see it as sort of a matter of politeness since we now have to put all of our differences aside and try to work together. I'm not trying to tell you not to speak your mind, I'm just saying that maybe your words would be better recieved at a later date. 
Everyone is pretty shaken up over whats happened in the past month and a half. Now should be a time of global prayer, no matter what religion.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/31/2001 8:40 am  
To:  Fuzziewolfie   (12 of 47)  
 
  231.12 in reply to 231.11  
 
As you pursue your goal of Global Prayer unless you are a Mormon you will have to pray Outside of a Mormon temple because they will Not let you as a non-Mormon enter into the inner part and participate in a Mormon service. You will have to convert to Mormonism Pay your tithes, follow their laws and rules and regulations, be baptized in their services and wear their clothing, then Maybe you can pray with them.

 

And I think the same is likewise for the Muslims that unless you are a Muslim and follow their codes you cannot enter a Mosc and pray with them.

 

So much for putting differences aside

So much for Global Prayer!





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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   10/31/2001 1:48 pm  
To:  latterday unread  (13 of 47)  
 
  231.13 in reply to 231.5  
 
  David knows, and does not care, that the representations which he makes of LDS teaching. doctrine, and practices are inaccurate.  He is a liar, nothing more.  At one point, his conduct could have been dismissed as mere ignorance, but at this point, he's been shown the truth about his representations, and yet he continues to repeat the same old disproven lies.

  It is good for you to post here, just so that David's lies do not go unchallenged, but if you think you're going to convince him of anything, just consider Matthew 7:6.

  David is as representative of Christianity as Osama bin Laden and his followers are of Islam.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/31/2001 9:17 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (14 of 47)  
 
  231.14 in reply to 231.13  
 
Bob,

 

Every and all posts made in discussions on this forum or any forum, are made to the best of my ability. Mistakes maybe, but lies defiantly not!

 

You are free to debate the merits of the topic unless of course like in the case of Mormonism the topic has no merits. To resort to personal attacks on me only reveals that you have no reply.





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  From:  Fuzziewolfie   10/31/2001 9:20 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 47)  
 
  231.15 in reply to 231.12  
 
I don't know much about Mormons but I'm sure they're all pretty normal people when it comes down to the wire. 
The Muslim statement at the end of your last post isn't completely correct. I had a close friend who was Muslim when I was a kid. Our parents worked together and were good friends. He'd sometimes come to temple with me (I'm a Jew, BTW) and I'd sometimes go to temple with him and his family. Nobody seemed to mind much either way. I was too young to understand at the time but it really was a good experience for me as a Jew. It helped me understand that after all is said and done Muslims are just normal people like everyone else.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/31/2001 9:27 pm  
To:  Fuzziewolfie   (16 of 47)  
 
  231.16 in reply to 231.15  
 
Good point!

 

Im not personally attacking the people either Muslim or Mormon, Which by the way I also happen to like both as people.

 

What is being discussed is the Philosophy and the conduct that comes from it.

 

And More Importantly what is being discussed is Do these two religions Please God, and too this I think the answer is a Resounding No!

 

David





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  From:  Jesus1Cristo   10/31/2001 11:09 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 47)  
 
  231.17 in reply to 231.14  
 
I would just like to say that I am not mormon. But I have studied the religion quite a bit. In all honesty you have not shared an educated opinion of the religion. Instead, you have written an uneducated bigotted opinion of the LDS religion. In all seriousness you should educate yourself in a religion/topic before you decide to start sharing information with others on it.  
  
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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   11/1/2001 12:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (18 of 47)  
 
  231.18 in reply to 231.14  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) whined:
Every and all posts made in discussions on this forum or any forum, are made to the best of my ability. Mistakes maybe, but lies defiantly not!
  David, you know full well (or at the very least, you have, at this time, no excuse not to know full well) that the representations you have made, and that you continue to make, about the teachings, doctrines, and practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; are not true.  Yet you continue to make such statements.  This makes you a liar, plain and simple.  Anyone who knows anything about Mormonism, and who reads your statements on the subject, can clearly see this.  Your master is not Jesus, but The Father Of All Lies.



You are free to debate the merits of the topic unless of course like in the case of Mormonism the topic has no merits. To resort to personal attacks on me only reveals that you have no reply.
  Sometimes, it is necessary to call a spade a spade.  If you don't like being called a liar, then I would suggest that you consider telling the truth once in a while, if you are capable of it.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/1/2001 8:45 am  
To:  ALL   (19 of 47)  
 
  231.19 in reply to 231.18  
 
It appears that the Challenge to Debate the topic based on the Merits of my original posting that the Muslim & Mormon religions are very similar is not being met.

 

Both of the previous posters chose slander, innuendo and personal attacks, rather than debate.

 

Not very Impressive!

 

But not surprising since the two religions are nearly Identical.

 

I stand by my original posting and would encourage any posters on this topic to view the extensive debates on the Mormon religion, located in the "Cults" folder.

 

David





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   From:  rbrettogden   11/1/2001 1:28 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 47)  
 
  231.20 in reply to 231.1  
 
David, 
I would request that you visit the official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon church) or read some other valid sources before claiming to know the doctrine. 

The Mormon church originated with Christ, not an "anti-Jewish man". The Church was restored to this dispensation by Joseph Smith but did not "originate" with him. 

I would like to know where you found evidence that Mormons believe and follow "revenge, lying, and killing." I have never seen or heard any evidence to substantiate this claim. 

Mormon doctrine does not teach that Jesus was only a man. If you were to invite Mormon missionaries into your home, one of the first topics they would teach is the divine nature of Jesus Christ. It would be extraordinarily rare to attend a worship service held at a Mormon church without hearing reference to Christ as the Son of God or the Divine Redeemer. 

Finally, please document your sources that indicate Mormons believe Heaven to be a brothel. This is not true. You wrote that Mormons do not believe in the heaven described in the Bible. Again, stop a Mormon missionary in the street or attend a Mormon worship service and see for yourself how many Mormons carry the Bible. Mormons read from the Bible, preach from the Bible, and thank God for blessing the world with it's truth. 

Thank you for reading this long post. 
Brett
 
  
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/1/2001 2:19 pm  
To:  rbrettogden   (21 of 47)  
 
  231.21 in reply to 231.20  
 
Again, please refer to the Cult folder for discussion regarding the Mormon Religion and its lack of any resemblance to Christianity.

 

Christianity Did Not fall into Apostate and Does Not need the Ramblings of Joseph Smith to Restore the Church to God.

 

Jesus Being God, He took on the appearance as a man and He Reconciled Humanity back to (Himself) God. To Claim that Joseph Smith corrected what Jesus allowed to go into neglect is the Utmost of Blasphemy!

 

I encourage you to Examine Christianity and to discover the Atoning Cross of Jesus and the Resurrection of Eternal Life in Jesus. Christianity was Completed once and for all at the Cross and Resurrection of Jesus! Jesus is the Fullness of Christianity. Joseph Smith or any other man that claims to be a part of the Redemptive process of mankind is irrelevant to Christianity.

 

I encourage you and others to view the Cults folder and to see for yourself that Mormons do not practice Christianity. For starters Mormons do not participate in the Bread and Wine Communion that is Commanded by Jesus to His Church. Instead Mormons participate in a communion of Leavened Bread & Water. Mormons do not believe in the Full Atonement Sacrifice of the Blood of Jesus, therefore  Mormonism is a Works based Cult, as Mormon members are attempting to Work and Pay (Tithes) their way into heaven vs. relying on the Sacrifice of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.

 

* this topic is in regard to the Comparison of the Muslim and Mormon religion. If you desire to debate that Mormons are the only true Religion or to debate Mormon vs. Christian topics please do so in an appropriate topic thread.

 

David



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  From:  rbrettogden   11/1/2001 2:38 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (22 of 47)  
 
  231.22 in reply to 231.21  
 
David, 
My previous message was not intended to debate "the only true religion" or the practice of "Christianity" as your reply attempts to do. 

If you read it carefully, you will note that it specifically addressed several points regarding your claim that Muslim and Mormon are similar. 

You falsely claimed that Mormonism was similar to Muslim because: 
1) Both religions originated with anti-Jewish men. 
2) Members of both religions believe and follow revenge, lying, and killing. 
3) Jesus is considered only a man. 
4) Both religions believe Heaven is some type of brothel, not the heaven described in the Bible. 

If you are truly interested in debating that topic, please do so rather than reverting to broad attacks on the doctrine of the Mormon church. I challenge you to go to (the official church website) and check the validity of the sources you used to identify the four points listed above.



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  From:  Fenian_Mor   11/1/2001 9:34 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 47)  
 
  231.23 in reply to 231.1  
 
Hmmm, I think it's just you. I would leave it at that, but your post troubles me a bit. 
So sorry, found some inconguricies with your posts that seem to me like fiction to acheive an end, a very good tactic at spreading information if you ask me. 

DAVIDBROWN declares: "Both originated outside of Israel to anti Jewish men. Islam  Arabia, Mormonism - New York USA." 

Actually, Mohommad was neither anti-Christian, nor anti-Jewish. Indeed, they all spring from Judeism(sp?) and he himself was very modest. To the muslims, he was just a vessel for the word of god, much like a gospel writer or prophet is to Christians. Also, Your logic is flawed. You probably dew this conclusion because Shite (Shee-ite) Musilms are somwhat anitsemetic, Actually, only the ones you hear about on American-controlled news are antisemetic. Several sects of Christianity are antisemetic, but that doesn't mean that Jesus was antisemetic, actually, he was a Jew. 

DAVIDBROWN also states that "Both Come Long after Jesus walked the earth. Muslim 700 A.D. Mormonism late 1800s A.D." 

Well, so did a LOT of religions, especially christian religions. Take Lutherans, the ceded from the catholic church over a thousand and a half years after jesus walked, or the Methodists? They are an ofshoot of the Anglicans (If I'm not mistaken) and the Anglicans were formed for political reasons, which isn't exactly godly. Furthermore, Isn't time ireelevant in the eyes of God? It wouldn't really matter WHEN mohommed recieved the word of God from Gabriel, I mean, didn't Joan of Arc recieve visions from angels in the Mid-Ages? That was WELL after the Muslims came about, because God is always about, right? 

DAVIDBROWN further goes on to say that "Both are Strict Legalistic systems. Both are Strict Political systems. Both believe and follow Revenge, lying and Killing to further their causes." 

Doesn't the Catholic Church? In fact, don't monotheocratic societies? Also, I don't really think that the Mormons have that much of a political hold anywhere. 

DAVIDBROWN also stresses "The writings of both are plagued with Errors and inconsistencies." 

So does the bible. There are numerous contradictions in every peice of writing. Look at Chrition, heck, look at my post. Inconsistancies, when maintained, alwyas fall into chaos because of the instability of the system and the fallacy of the process. (mathematically speaking) 

Finally, DAVIDBROWN says "Islam and Mormonism have Nothing to do with Christianity and much to do with each other." 

I would like to add that Christianity really doesn't want much to do with them just as much as Chritianity wants to do with the shinto or daoism, or even Zealots for that matter. 

Just trying to help you out, Mr. Brown 

Oandachi~ 

~Fenian Mor 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/1/2001 9:54 pm  
To:  ALL   (24 of 47)  
 
  231.24 in reply to 231.23  
 
Just noting that in the previous post the poster neglected to comment on my statement that 

 

Both deny the Deity of Jesus. Muslims  Jesus is only a Prophet, Mormons - Jesus is only a man like Adam and every other man.

 

This is the heart of the matter, Lutherans, Catholics and every Christian Group follows Jesus and Acknowledges Him to be God. Christian denominations dont write their own additional version of the Bible and especially a version that completely contradicts the Bible like the Mormons and Muslims do.

 

Muslims and Mormons do not follow Jesus and both deny that He is God.



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (kcolyalB_boB)   11/2/2001 10:20 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (25 of 47)  
 
  231.25 in reply to 231.24  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) lied:
Mormons do not follow Jesus and both [Moslems and Mormons] deny that He is God.
  This is not true, David, and you know that this is not true.  Why do you persist in telling such lies, knowing that it will be obvious to all that you are lying? 
  
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  From:  Fuzziewolfie   11/2/2001 4:23 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (26 of 47)  
 
  231.26 in reply to 231.24  
 
Us Jews don't believe that Jesus was in any way the Messiah. To us he was just another prophet, allbeit one of the most important prophets and we believe he was an all around nice guy with some great ideas. 
By the way, Islam has actually been around for about 2,500 years although the practices did change much after their Prophet finally came. Kind of like how us Jews are still waiting now, they spent roughly 1,000 years for a man to show them "God through example". Jesus is written about extensively in the Qur'an but its also written that, while Jesus did speak the words of Allah, he wsn't the choosen because his words would fall upon mostly deaf ears.
 
  
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  From:  bernie@nationwide.net (A20EEWWSFMZ1)    11/14/2001 8:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (27 of 47)  
 
  231.27 in reply to 231.10  
 
No offence David but all of your information is secondary here-say. I will wait for you to visit them and give a first hand report of what you find. I am not saying change your attitude or anything; you have no idea what you have been told vs. reality.
 
  
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  From:  Zebra30   11/29/2001 9:16 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 47)  
 
  231.28 in reply to 231.1  
 
You are right, David. I hadn't really thought about it until fairly recently. But now that you mention it, they really are similar. In fact, they are almost twins. I often wondered, whenever I hear of bombings or explosions or murders of innocent citizens committed by Muslim extremists such as that which took place September 11, if the motivation for these actions isn't more sensual or fleshly than it is spiritual. In other words, a Muslim male would purposely blow himself and hundreds or hundreds of thousands of his fellow citizens to eternity just so he could enter paradise and collect his 70 or 72 virgins (the number seems to change sometimes, as I had heard that the number was 40 at one time). The Mormon male, from the material you've posted here, in turn is willing to do whatever he feels is necessary to earn his place in eternity with his own planet and multiplicity of wives in order to become his own "god". Gee, Satan sho' is smart, ain't he? He was able to sell this whopper to our very first parents, and he is still selling this swill to folks even today through his own brand of "religion". Wow!! It's just too bad that clever mankind can't see that it has been set up. Tell me what you think.  
  
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  From:  Zebra30   11/29/2001 9:25 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 47)  
 
  231.29 in reply to 231.1  
 
By the way, I haven't figured out yet why a man feels that he needs more than one wife since he can't possibly give the undivided attention to each wife that a woman needs to feel significant. Critics often site the examples of David (your namesake) and his son Solomon in the Bible as justification for polygamy. I'd say that those two are perhaps the worst examples because, for instance, while the Bible says that David was a man after God's own heart, his family life was a mess and it caused him no end of trouble. Even with the many wives that he had, it wasn't enough. He always had to have just one more (remember Bathsheba?). So why, do you think, does a man feel that he has to have a crowd of wives. Tell me what you think.  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/29/2001 10:52 pm  
To:  Zebra30   (30 of 47)  
 
  231.30 in reply to 231.29  
 
Hi Zebra30,

 

Its Always nice to read your posts!

 

As far as why would any man want more than one wife. I think Ill stick with your answer that a man cannot possibly give his full attention to more than one wife so it cannot possible be fair to the wife. But then I dont think multiple wives are the actions of men it is more in the keeping of boys who dont know what they want, then of men who make a commitment to their first wife and keep it.

 

Also shortly after the suicide attacks of 9/11 it has come out that many of the suicide members spent their last nigh/days in Las Vegas in search of strippers and showgirls. So much for spirituality and Allah. The whole thing (Mormon & Muslim) is just a gigantic flesh and pride trip and has nothing in resemblance to Christianity and to Judaism.

 

God Bless You,

David

 



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  From:  Kiwimac   12/1/2001 8:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 47)  
 
  231.31 in reply to 231.30  
 
Ah David, 
Time for you to get a life!~, Do you honestly think that this sort of idiotic writing is going to invite either Mormons or Moslems to your version of Christ? 

What a walloper! 

Kiwimac
 
  
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  From:  lokc_BoabBly   12/2/2001 10:03 pm  
To:  ALL   (32 of 47)  
 
  231.32 in reply to 231.31  
 
  This whole comparison, of course, is nonsense.  Mormons do not believe the things that David says that we do, so his comparison based on what he alleges to be our beliefs is false.  I do not know enough about Islam to say much for certain, but I would bet that David is at least as wrong about Islam and its beliefs, as he is about Mormonism. 
  
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  From:  Alexander G. Thwarpton (GOD_IS_KING)   12/17/2001 7:55 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 47)  
 
  231.33 in reply to 231.30  
 
David! I had'nt seen the co-relation before! I used to think that Mormons were just another type of Christian, but after reading all of your posts, I realized that it was a root of a serious cult! Thank you, David. I will start telling my local pastor of your truths on Mormons! 
~GOD IS KING!~
 
  
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  From:  lBBb_koloyac   12/18/2001 9:35 am  
To:  Alexander G. Thwarpton (GOD_IS_KING)   (34 of 47)  
 
  231.34 in reply to 231.33  
 
GOD_IS_KING wrote:
David! I had'nt seen the co-relation before! I used to think that Mormons were just another type of Christian, but after reading all of your posts, I realized that it was a root of a serious cult! Thank you, David. I will start telling my local pastor of your truths on Mormons!
  The representations which David has made concerning the beliefs, teachings, and practices of Mormonism are, for the most part, entirely false.  Before you pass any such judgement on a religion, you really ought to find out what this religion really teaches and practices; and you will not learn this about Mormonism from David.

  David's comparison between Mormonism and Islam is based on provably false assertions about Mormonism.  I do not kown nearly enough about Islam to say very much for sure about it, but I would bet that David's assertions about Islam are as wrong as his assertions about Mormonism.

  In short, David either has not the slightest clue what he is talking about, or else he is engaging in willful dishonesty and deception.


 
  
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  From:  Alex_Anatole (AlexAnatole)   12/18/2001 11:38 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (35 of 47)  
 
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David, 
Good comparison. It checks out with everything I know about Mormanism and Islam. Indeed both Christological heresies follow the same pattern. 

Judging by the virulent Mormon attacks, I'd say you struck a nerve! 

Alex

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    12/18/2001 1:07 pm  
To:  Alex_Anatole (AlexAnatole)   (36 of 47)  
 
  231.36 in reply to 231.35  
 
Hi Alex,

 

Yes, I also would say that I struck a nerve. I hope that it is a nerve that will get people both Mormons and Non-Mormons to more closely examine just what is being taught as Mormonism.

 

The likeness between Muslim and Mormon teachings are just too obvious to go unnoticed.

 

Both consider heaven to be a physical place where physical desires and whims are met. This is Very, Very different from the Spiritual Heaven and Eternity with God that Jesus spoke about and what the Bible teaches about.

 

Thanks so much for your support!

 

God Bless You,

Have a Wonderful Holiday Season,

Your brother in Jesus,

David

 

 



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  From:  katie1315   12/18/2001 2:11 pm  
To:  ALL   (37 of 47)  
 
  231.37 in reply to 231.1  
 
Hi 
my name is katie i just started this and find it neat i would like to 
ask you to help me and maybe send tips. 
thanks!! 
katie 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    12/18/2001 2:36 pm  
To:  katie1315 unread  (38 of 47)  
 
  231.38 in reply to 231.37  
 
Hi,

 

Welcome Katie.

 

You are Already off to a Great Start!

 

In the ISSUES Folder there is a topic called Delphi Tips & Tricks that starts to explain some of the features on Delphi, hopefully you and others can add to the topic. 

 

Hope you Enjoy your visits here.

 

God Bless You,

David

 



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  From:  lBkobBcl_yao   12/18/2001 6:37 pm  
To:  ALL   (39 of 47)  
 
  231.39 in reply to 231.35  
 
Alex Anatole (ALEXANATOLE) wrote:
Good comparison. It checks out with everything I know about Mormanism (sic) and Islam. Indeed both Christological heresies follow the same pattern.
  If you really knew anything at all about Mormanism, then I think it stands to reason that you would know, at the very least, how to spell it.

  David makes the following assetions about both Islam and Mormonism, in order to support his claim that they are similar:
Both believe heaven to be some type of brothel where droves of women are there for their various whims. To both of them the rewards of heaven are sexual not Godly and not Spiritual.

  There is nothing anywhere in any doctrine or teaching of Mormonism that can reasonably be construed to support this claim.  I challenge you and/or David to find any credible documentation to the contrary.

Both Come Long after Jesus walked the earth. Muslim 700 A.D. Mormonism late 1800s A.D.

  Except for the Catholic and Orthodox sects, nearly every form of Christianity came at or after the Protestant Reformation, in the 16th century.

Both originated outside of Israel

  Can you identify any Protestant sect that originated in Israel?  Just one?  I didn't think so.

to anti Jewish men

  Can you find any documentation to support the claim that Joseph Smith, or any other Mormon leader, was anti-Jewish?

Both are Strict Legalistic systems. Both are Strict Political systems. Both believe and follow Revenge, lying and Killing to further their causes.

  None of this is true of Mormonism.

Both deny the Deity of Jesus. Muslims  Jesus is only a Prophet, Mormons - Jesus is only a man like Adam and every other man.

  Mormonism believes Jesus to be the literal begotten son of God the Father, a member of the Godhead, and a major participant in the creation of this Earth and all that is on it.  We most certainly do not believe him to be only a man like Adam and every other man.

  As I said, David's comparison is based on assertions about Mormonism which are either provably false, or which apply just as well to most other Christian sects.  I don't know a lot about Islam, but I'd bet that David's assertions about Islam are as wrong as his assertions about Mormonism.

  We've all heard the bit about how these Arab terrorist martyrs believe that they are going to a heaven where they will be waited on by umpteen dozen virgins  the obvious basis for claim (i) above.  Like I say, I don't know a lot about Islam, but I'm skeptical about whether this is really a Moslem doctrine.  Most of these martyrs are illiterate and ignorant, and would most likely believe anything their religious leaders tell them.  This bit about being waited on by a troop of virgins in heaven sounds to me a lot more like something a corrupt religious con-artist would make up, to tell his ignorant followers, in order to convince them to give their lives for the cause, than something any religion would have as an established doctrine.  Of course, I could be wrong; it's possible that Islam really does teach this.

  Both of the dates David gives in (ii) are wrong.  Mormonism was founded in 1830, making it the early not the late 1800s.  From having once dabbled in coin collecting, I know that Arab coins are dated according to a reference circa A.D. 580, marking the beginning of Islam; this is more than a hundred years before David's A.D. 700.  The exact dates aren't really that important, other than to provide yet more evidence that David really doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    12/18/2001 8:42 pm  
To:  ALL   (40 of 47)  
 
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Nice Bait and Switch Bob. It might work for used car salesmen and it might work for Mormon Missionaries out on the road but it doesnt work here.

 

Certainly Bob is not trying to insinuate that Mormonism is another Sect of Christianity just like the Baptists and the Lutherans.

 

Baptist acknowledge the Lutherans and Lutherans acknowledge the Baptists and Both acknowledge Jesus.

 

Mormons do Not acknowledge anyone else either Christian or Jew. Mormons Believe that They ALONE are the true Christians and that No One else is a Christian also Mormons Believe that they alone are the true and only Jews, that no one else is a Jew except for a Mormon.

 

Mormons believe that Their New Covenant Teachings and Beliefs have Replaced what the Church teaches, therefore Mormonism is a New Teaching and Mormonism did originate with Joseph Smith in the 1800s.

 



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From:  oyBa_BbocKll   12/19/2001 9:42 am  
To:  ALL   (41 of 47)  
 
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David (DAVIDABROWN) wrote:
Mormons do Not acknowledge anyone else either Christian or Jew. Mormons Believe that They ALONE are the true Christians and that No One else is a Christian also Mormons Believe that they alone are the true and only Jews, that no one else is a Jew except for a Mormon.

Mormons believe that Their New Covenant Teachings and Beliefs have Replaced what the Church teaches, therefore Mormonism is a New Teaching and Mormonism did originate with Joseph Smith in the 1800s.
  As usual, David's representations about Mormon beliefs and practices are grossly inaccurate. 
  
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  From:  CMEFLY2001   1/8/2002 2:18 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (42 of 47)  
 
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What? Our heaven is a brothel? 
Please tell me where you got that from. Please cite Book of Mormon scripture, as well as Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. My interest is piqued. 

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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    1/9/2002 6:21 am  
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<<<As usual, David's representations about Mormon beliefs and practices are grossly inaccurate.>>> 
To a degree, they are inaccurate! The Mormon doctrine believes all mankind will be saved; But the will not achieved an equal standing as that of devout Mormons! 

His second statement, "Mormons believe that Their New Covenant Teachings and Beliefs have Replaced what the Church teaches, therefore Mormonism is a New Teaching and Mormonism did originate with Joseph Smith in the 1800s." is entirely true! The Mormon doctrine preaches heresies that aren't corroborated by Jesus or the Apostles, therefore making it a false doctrine. The following verses warn of preaching a gospel other than that of Jesus or the Apostles! 

Romans 16:17  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 

Ephesians 4:14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 

1 Timothy 1:3  As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 

1 Timothy 1:10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 

1 Timothy 6:1,3 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 

Then there's 1 Timothy 4:6 that says be a good minister of Jesus Christ; not Joseph Smith or Brigham Young! 

1 Timothy 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 

This last passage states, you bring people to the truth by preaching the right and faithful Word. "...to exhort and to convince..."! How can a Mormon convince anyone of the truth of their Word in the "Book of Mormon", when it doesn't agree with the Bible itself! If you'll study your Bible, their are three references to the name Lehi. It means "jawbone" and it is merely a city! It got it's name from the jawbone Samson used to slay the philistines! If Smith was going to start another different religion, he would have been smart, to take a person of that timeframe that was mentioned in the Bible instead of a name that didn't exist as a person! As all the other books of the Bible cross-reference in one way or another, the Book of Mormon should too; but doesn't! Can you show us anywhere in ancient Hebrew writings or Greek for that matter that talks of a man named Lehi? There is also no mention of his wife, Sariah, or his sons Laman, Lemuel, or Nephi! As a matter of fact, only the name Lemuel is in God's Word, and was a King, not a sojourner! Maybe everything David says is not on the mark, but it's pretty close! The fact is, this was Joseph Smith way of achieving power in his own right, just as others have done in other religions, like Jim Jones and Heavensgate! Best to turn from the teachings of Smith and live, than ignore the teachings of Christ and die! 


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  From:  CMEFLY2002   1/25/2002 5:59 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (44 of 47)  
 
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You are one hateful ass bastard! Did anyone teach you what love is? And don't go preaching the love of God bit to me, you only make a bigger fool of yourself. You have no idea what the love of God is.... 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    1/25/2002 7:21 pm  
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I guess it depends on what your definition of hate is.

 

If your definition of hate is to encourage people to have a personal, living, relationship with the personal, living, God then you are right!

 

And if your definition of Mormon love is to allow people to remain separated from God then you are wrong about what love is.

 

Gods definition of Love is to Sacrifice Himself on the Cross to Reunite Mankind with Himself. Gods Love is a personal relationship. The Mormon Cult is a group of people determined to live a lie that they themselves are a god and have no need for the Real God.

 

John 3:16-21 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

We know that Mormons are Condemned because they do not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son. That Jesus as the Son of God is God Just like His Father. To say that Jesus is not God is to say that our father is not human but we are human. Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan brothers and are both begotten sons of god and that everyone else is also a begotten son of god because in the Mormon fairy tail everyone is a god just like the Mormon jesus and just like Satan.

 

So you see Mormonism is Evil and Wicked and does have Nothing to do with the Truth and Love of the True Jesus in Christianity!!

 

All the Best to You!
David



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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/13/2002 7:14 am  
To:  CMEFLY2001 unread  (46 of 47)  
 
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Please tell me where you got that from. Please cite Book of Mormon scripture, as well as Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. My interest is piqued. 
 

 

Oh, you mean "The Three Inconsequential Works".

You see...it doesn't matter how we speak to Mormons.  No matter if we spread butter on our tongue Mormons would reject the bible...while claiming otherwise.

If I ever hear a Mormon admit error it will be a first.



 

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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/21/2002 5:24 pm  
To:  ALL   (47 of 47)  
 
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